looking at our team there seems to be in my opinion only 4 good/great players...manu,westerman,o'meley and briscoe..
from a squad of 20+ players that is embarrasing for a club of our size..
these four are the only ones who i could see making it in the nrl..and thats the benchmark we have to look at seeing as its the premier comp in the world...
thoughts??

Not the form Ogre is in

granted, but the guy is class, and has played and domiated i the nrl, and i recon still could

Yeah we all know how good he is just needs to be fully fit and get bit of confidence back . The other three you chose I'd go with aswell . Maybe moa aswell seen as he be trying himself there most probably year after next

So roughly how many NRL quality players should we have?

20. Always best to keep spares.

well, take last nite for example....id go for, s.tomknins,richards,carmont,leului,lima,j.tomkins,o'loughlin,finch,hoffman,hock would all be able to play down under...even charnley and cross would stand a chance.....

Good one.

you tell me who wouldnt from wigans team last nite then?

When you compare the current side to our 2005 CC winners or 2006 GF runners up its a depressing read.

[u2005:[/u

Motu Tony
2. Nathan Blacklock
3. Kirk Yeaman
4. Richard Whiting
5. Gareth Raynor
6. Richard Horne
7. Danny Brough
8. Ewan Dowes
9. Richard Swain
10. Garreth Carvell
11. Shayne McMenemy
12. Stephen Kearney
13. Paul Cooke

Subs

14. Paul King
15. Jamie Thackray
16. Tommy Saxton
17. Chris Chester


[u2006:[/u

Shaun Briscoe
Motu Tony
Sid Domic
Kirk Yeaman
Gareth Raynor
Paul Cooke
Richard Horne
Ewan Dowes
Richard Swain
Garreth Carvell
Shayne McMenemy
Lee Radford
Danny Washbrook

Richard Whiting
Graeme Horne
Scott Wheeldon
Paul King

The only players in the current line-up who'd I'd put into either team are Briscoe and Manu. Houghton would be worthy of a place on the bench. The rest of the current line-up are a shocking decrease in standards on what we had just a few years ago.

also interesting that of the players that we've kept only Yeaman and Whiting are performing to the same standard they were back then. Horne, Radford and Dowes are knackered, while Washbrook has had his potential wasted.

I think Washy has been shafted personally. loads on here touting him as a future FC captain and 13 for years to come and he has been screwed over. Feel sorry for him.

agree with most of that...another sickener is the fact that carvell looks an absolute worldbeater now he's lost 2 stone......