Wow, some of the takes on here are incredible! We should just sack half the staff, all the players and find a new owner.
Really disappointing loss, but ultimately these things happen. We're top 3, and having a great season so far, and I can't remember the last time we won 5 on the bounce.
I think it was JP who used to say most of your players have to have an 8 out of 10 performance to win games each week, Friday was an example of too many players being at 5 or 6/10, which in the context of the season has been really unusual.
The reality is we struggle with Saints. They are super aggressive side and pretty horrible in the tackle with tons of interference, and that got us way too frustrated. We've been playing at a really high intensity all season, and it looked like it caught up on us a bit. Onwards and upwards, looking forward to our game this week against Leigh, which should be really competitive.
even the league table is seriously flawed because of the extra games
If all concerned are comfortable with the current structure of fixtures, and hence the resultant league table, then fine, but unless each team plays each other team the same amount of times, then in purist terms the league table has no integrity at all.
I'll judge where we are versus Saints on where we finish in the table rather than on the head to head results.
That would have been a good gauge between 1974 and 1996 Simmo, but as Saints fans will testify, you can finish 10 points in front of a rival and lose to them when it matters and you’re consigned to the category of losers. Both of our theories are ultimately out of the window until play off time, lose to Saints then and previous results and league positions become irrelevant.
Yeh, fair enough OWL. And we know that better than anyone.
The point I was making is that should we lose to Saints in a couple of weeks doesn't necessarily mean we are way behind them, as you had suggested. The final league table (before the play offs) would be a better gauge of that.
even the league table is seriously flawed because of the extra games
If all concerned are comfortable with the current structure of fixtures, and hence the resultant league table, then fine, but unless each team plays each other team the same amount of times, then in purist terms the league table has no integrity at all.
but it does give an indication of where teams are at e.g. Wigan /Hull KR are out front, Leeds, Saints , Leigh, Hull and Wakefield are chasing playoffs, Warrington, Catalans and Cas are poor and Hudds /Salford are garbage according to the current table. I think that sounds about right.
I'll judge where we are versus Saints on where we finish in the table rather than on the head to head results.
That would have been a good gauge between 1974 and 1996 Simmo, but as Saints fans will testify, you can finish 10 points in front of a rival and lose to them when it matters and you’re consigned to the category of losers. Both of our theories are ultimately out of the window until play off time, lose to Saints then and previous results and league positions become irrelevant.
Yeh, fair enough OWL. And we know that better than anyone.
The point I was making is that should we lose to Saints in a couple of weeks doesn't necessarily mean we are way behind them, as you had suggested. The final league table (before the play offs) would be a better gauge of that.
(Quote) I didn’t say we would be way behind them if we go 1-3 for the season against Saints, but it would indicate to me they are a better team with a greater chance of silverware. They have had their travails this season, but when it came to a “must win” game against us, it was pretty conclusive despite the final score in The Challenge Cup. If we put in a real display against them in a few weeks and make it 2 apiece I would be encouraged that we are a similar level of quality. I think head to heads do indicate levels of quality, and to go 1-3 down against any team in a season would probably be a good indicator whoever we were playing.
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